tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post6604826635150134114..comments2023-04-20T09:43:48.910-04:00Comments on PTU (Pardon The Unemployment): Worst Knicks Draft MissesSnoothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01790750695737522069noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-39165701252860452462011-06-26T21:42:30.243-04:002011-06-26T21:42:30.243-04:00Stay tuned for the jean shorts post coming very so...Stay tuned for the jean shorts post coming very soon.Johnny Jean Shortsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-82917192239196618512011-06-26T20:37:43.754-04:002011-06-26T20:37:43.754-04:00If he tries to wear jean shorts in a game, the Kni...If he tries to wear jean shorts in a game, the Knicks are going to be the laughing stock of the league.Bottlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-72692587018272640732011-06-26T20:23:02.731-04:002011-06-26T20:23:02.731-04:00Jesus... besides rednecks, who wears jean shorts a...Jesus... besides rednecks, who wears jean shorts anymore? Nice job, Knicks. Next draft, pick the guy who wears Jncos.Bottlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-44191355498523998942011-06-26T19:06:27.086-04:002011-06-26T19:06:27.086-04:00I do love balance yeeeeeah. If he's averaging ...I do love balance yeeeeeah. If he's averaging those numbers he'll be in Europe or the D League or hanging out at Yellowhook.<br /><br />The Knicks' other pick is nicknamed Jean Shorts because he wore those every day of his college career though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-39963795114160237512011-06-25T21:30:26.807-04:002011-06-25T21:30:26.807-04:00His college shooting numbers:
40.6% field goal pe...His college shooting numbers:<br /><br />40.6% field goal percentage, 27.8% from 3.Bottlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-38908492041602620272011-06-25T21:03:58.659-04:002011-06-25T21:03:58.659-04:00Bagels loves balance.
Shumpert sucks. Five years...Bagels loves balance.<br /><br />Shumpert sucks. Five years in, he'll be averaging 2-3 points a game and struggling to remain in the NBA.Bottlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-27490675960612428462011-06-25T17:15:01.701-04:002011-06-25T17:15:01.701-04:00You're fired and so is that accountant whore.You're fired and so is that accountant whore.Shank's Bossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-69038761828457141932011-06-25T17:14:30.317-04:002011-06-25T17:14:30.317-04:00We'll agree to disagree on Jennings then, but ...We'll agree to disagree on Jennings then, but what I said was he's better than anyone they've had in the past 20 years (except Mark Jackson I guess), but obviously you don't agree. Either way, I still think Hill was a terrible pick regardless of the fact that whoever was picked would have been shipped off for Melo. I could see that what you said was you don't feel as bad about it, and that's fair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-21766867693082483832011-06-25T16:48:53.169-04:002011-06-25T16:48:53.169-04:00Boss, I know you're having an affair with the ...Boss, I know you're having an affair with the accountant on the 1st floor, that's why you allow me to waste time on the internet.Shanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-31850050309889879062011-06-25T16:46:36.943-04:002011-06-25T16:46:36.943-04:00@ Bagels again:
And just to clear things up, I th...@ Bagels again:<br /><br />And just to clear things up, I think this kid "could be" a good role/specialty player based off the Knicks scouting reports and combine workouts. He supposedly has good form on his jumper, so the potential to improve his outside shot is there. Again, I'm not down on the pick, but I'm not super psyched by it either. I never proclaimed him to be some hidden gem that's going to prove everyone wrong. I like the idea of what he could potentially bring to the table based off his defensive ability and athleticism. Again, what he could potentially bring. But like I said, he could end up being a bust. That's why I'm going to patiently wait and see before I judge this kid.<br /><br />And I should clarify my "Mozgov type" comment. I'm not comparing his game to Mozgov. He's just supposed to be some raw project that's supposedly joining the Knicks this upcoming season, the same way Mozgov was a raw project for us last year. In today's game, decent big men are hard to find. I just pray he can contribute 10-15 minutes per game for us and clog the middle so that Amar'e doesn't have to play center so often.Shanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-13814505340110067742011-06-25T16:31:45.178-04:002011-06-25T16:31:45.178-04:00@ Bagels
I'm not saying that Jordan Hill was ...@ Bagels<br /><br />I'm not saying that Jordan Hill was an okay pick. I'm not as down on the selection as I was on the night of 09 draft because in hindsight he would have been traded to help clear cap space, or he would have been dealt in the Melo trade anyway. And if we're going to discuss who they should have drafted that night, it should have been Ty Lawson. Who's a much better shooter and overall player than Jennings. The only reason why his PPG and APG don't stand out is because he rode the bench before the Melo trade. But he completely shined after it. <br /><br />Disagree on Jennings being better than any PG we would have had in the next 20 years.. He had a great first half in his rookie season and has been extremely mediocre ever since. This guy isn't even as good as Felton. He isn't even as good as a past his prime Billups. Knicks fans would have been all over this kid and begging for him to be traded if he was here.Shanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-59271180707801432132011-06-25T15:10:50.113-04:002011-06-25T15:10:50.113-04:00I see your still wasting time on here. Why the hel...I see your still wasting time on here. Why the hell did I hire you again?Shank's Bossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-69905933639315914502011-06-25T15:08:20.184-04:002011-06-25T15:08:20.184-04:00Oh yeah, and I agree that there wasn't much el...Oh yeah, and I agree that there wasn't much else to choose from (17th pick in a weak draft usually means you get a bum anyway). But another point I disagree with you on is Jordan Hill being an ok pick in hindsight (obviously I disagree since I wrote about how bad a pick he was), the point of the draft isn't to stockpile contracts to clear space at some point. As Hater J said, that's David Kahn philosophy i.e. NOT GOOD. And Jennings will still turn out to be a better point guard than anyone the Knicks have had in 20 years. <br /><br />Also, my friend who went to Georgia Tech, loves every player that ever came out of there, watches every game and is extremely biased texted me Thursday night: "BAD PICK, he was chosen waaaaaaay too high". Toney Douglas was all defensive in the ACC too and as we know he can't guard my grandmother and she's dead (to quote my father). So there ya go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-2056675450036409572011-06-25T15:01:37.357-04:002011-06-25T15:01:37.357-04:00Shank, will you marry me?Shank, will you marry me?Iman Shumpertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-79361548416129152812011-06-25T14:59:17.689-04:002011-06-25T14:59:17.689-04:00This is anonymous Bagels, by the way, my commentin...This is anonymous Bagels, by the way, my commenting ability is messed up for some reason.<br /><br /> I agree, Shank, that we need to take a wait and see approach, but I think both you and Bottle are wrong, albeit at opposite extremes. Bottle thinks this is the worst pick ever and there's no way he could be good, and you went from let's wait and see to throwing out combine numbers and basically saying this kid was an undiscovered gem. I think it's not the worst pick ever (let's wait a couple years before saying that) and 99% of scouts and analysts should probably get the benefit of the doubt over the infinite wisdom of Donnie Walsh (who can't live off his Pacers draft picks forever. Shit, Reggie Miller was drafted like 20 something years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-87941942725347864962011-06-25T14:55:03.984-04:002011-06-25T14:55:03.984-04:00This kid shot 27% from college 3s, he supposedly h...This kid shot 27% from college 3s, he supposedly has no jump shot. "Mozgov type" project is not encouaraging either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-67140225293728524552011-06-25T14:53:56.133-04:002011-06-25T14:53:56.133-04:00No Iman, you are not. Infidel.No Iman, you are not. Infidel.Muslim Delegation Saysnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-86851182518772311012011-06-25T14:52:04.814-04:002011-06-25T14:52:04.814-04:00Yeah, sorry about the long post.
I'm not hi...Yeah, sorry about the long post. <br /><br /> I'm not high on Fields right now. I think he came back down to Earth after the Melo trade. And you're right, we do have two SG's because Douglas isn't really a point. I just like the idea of us having a lock down defender for once, a guy that will play tough D no matter what system he's in. I also like the idea of him being able to handle the ball and play point, while being able to guard 3 positions. Who knows, maybe Billups can mentor this kid. He also has a decent outside shot, and with STAT and Melo getting the majority of the shots, all he has to do is hit his open shots. If we get someone like Dalambert(who's miles better than any big man left after 17) then we would have filled out need for a big man and Turiaf can go back to be just a backup. Plus they have this Jermone Jordan kid playing in Europe that their scouts have tabbed as their next Mozgov type project. So we can still fill our need for a center and trade TD for an actual backup PG.Shanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-89315864965603824352011-06-25T10:20:42.877-04:002011-06-25T10:20:42.877-04:00Guys, I gotta admit - I'm really bad at basket...Guys, I gotta admit - I'm really bad at basketball. I thought there was no chance in hell I'd be picked that early. On draft night I was in my mother's basement playing World of Warcraft.<br /><br />By the way, am I Muslim?Iman Shumpertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-31543583097945901202011-06-25T10:18:44.216-04:002011-06-25T10:18:44.216-04:00That was really long.
I don't want to draw th...That was really long.<br /><br />I don't want to draw this argument out, but I'll tell you what I was arguing with Bagels. <br /><br />You can determine whether it's a smart pick based on the logic involved - you don't have to wait to see how the players pan out (although, of course, that is more important). Even if Shumpert becomes a good player, which I don't think will happen, it's still a bad decision to take him when he was not highly regarded, when you have two shooting guards already, and when he does need fill a big need. It's just setting yourself up for failure.Bottlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-37932127339386682802011-06-25T02:32:07.663-04:002011-06-25T02:32:07.663-04:00And for the record I'm not saying that Shumper...And for the record I'm not saying that Shumpert will turn out to be as good as any of those players. He could be a bust for all I know.Shanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-17722342709610045302011-06-25T02:28:55.372-04:002011-06-25T02:28:55.372-04:00"You can't justify this pick - there'..."You can't justify this pick - there's a reason all the Knicks fans booed and all the analysts were confused. The fans didn't like it... the analysts didn't like it... it's pretty obvious it was a dumb mistake."<br /><br />If that fans and analysts thought it was a bad pick then it must be so! Are you serious Bottle? I guess the fans and analyst at the time that hated or were confused by the selections of Stockton, Malone, Reggie Miller, Dan Majerle, Clyde Drexler, Dirk Nowitzky, Kevin Johnson, Scottie Pippen, Michael Finley, etc were all right about those picks being dumb mistakes. <br /><br />Or how about NBA picks that fans and analyst loved that turned out to be complete busts.<br /><br />Adam, Morrison, Joe Smith, Ed O'Bannon, Shawn Bradley, Kwame Brown, Pervis Ellison, Shelden Williams. Just to name a few...Shanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-67930300771047134562011-06-25T01:00:32.316-04:002011-06-25T01:00:32.316-04:00I apologize for this long ass essay in advance. I...I apologize for this long ass essay in advance. It's been months since I posted on here and I enjoy a good debate.<br /><br />I wasn't arguing that the Knicks didn't have major holes at the center position. I'm just pointing out the flaw in your argument that "Billups, Fields, and Douglas were enough to hold down the guard positions." Billups is showing signs of breaking down and can no longer guard his position with efficiency. Fields played shook during the second half of the season and was complete trash in the playoffs. Douglas is an inconsistent mess that's either really good or really bad, depending on how his jumper is falling. The problems in the back court are a lot bigger than people realize. It's not as big as their need for size, but it's a problem that can't be ignored. <br /><br />And tell me Bottle, what big men would have had an immediate impact on the Knicks with the 17th pick? The big man they coveted(Biyombo) got picked early. They had no assets to trade up to get him because TD and Fields value went down the toilet after the Boston series. So we're left with Singleton, Harris, Motiejūnas and Faried left on the board. Not exactly a can't miss bunch of prospects to choose from. The only reason why they made it to the first round in this year's draft was because of how weak the class was. One of the worst classes in the last 20 years.<br /><br />And I'm not sure what you mean when you wrote that "you have to judge their game before they get into the league." So Knicks fans such as myself shouldn't reserve judgment till we see him play? If that's the case then that's just irrational. If that's not what you were referring to then I apologize. <br /><br />I remember fans having similar reactions when Lee, Chandler and Fields were drafted. The majority of the fan base was unhappy(including myself) because the organization drafted guys that were nowhere near their radar. Not to say that I don't understand their skepticism due to the massive amount of failures that followed the infamous Weis draft. I'm just not as down on this pick as the majority of the fan base seems to be. <br /><br />And who says it was just Walsh that made this decision? Was Walsh the only one that scouted him in the pre-draft workouts? Yes, he's the one that made the final call, but that doesn't mean that the organization's scouts weren't involved in the decision process. Even if he was the sole scout,, I trust Walsh's track record over every analyst on ESPN that try to pass themselves off as Scouts. While he may be the guy that drafted Jordan Hill, this is the same guy that had the balls to select Reggie Miller over Steve Alford, which turn out to be extremely unpopular at the time. This is the same guy that put those contending Pacers teams together in the mid 90's early 00. This is the same guy that did the impossible and cleaned up Isiah's mess. This is the same guy that would have gotten Melo for a lot cheaper had Dolan stayed out the way and let him do his job. So let's not short change Walsh here and discredit him as an evaluater of talent. If this pick turns out to be as bad as people are saying it is, then I'll be bashing the pick along with the rest of the base. But until then, I will reserve judgment till I actually see this kid play.Shanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-12025758572015121162011-06-25T00:59:21.378-04:002011-06-25T00:59:21.378-04:00Biyambo measured in at 13 inches!Biyambo measured in at 13 inches!Jay Bilasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1966735045265717224.post-70281830525571638522011-06-24T23:11:42.253-04:002011-06-24T23:11:42.253-04:00Besides, that's the thing about draft picks - ...Besides, that's the thing about draft picks - you can't "wait to actually see them play". You have to judge their game before they get into the league. I support the Knicks, but I can't see how you diehard Knick's fans can defend them. Everytime they get something going they totally screw it up.Bottlenoreply@blogger.com